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PostSubject: MORE PTG PHOTOS from Ray Cunningham - DPRK trip August 2010   Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:44 pm

Ray aka Zaruka has started uploading pictures from his trip to North Korea to his flickr account.
You can see many pictures of life in North Norea at his flickr page here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zaruka/
Search through his SETS for NK photo sets.

Traffic Ladies pictures: Click on a picture to see larger view


I'll add more pictures to this thread as they become available.


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PostSubject: Re: MORE PTG PHOTOS from Ray Cunningham - DPRK trip August 2010   Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:11 am

A veritable gold mine of PTG pictures!

As always, click on the pic for larger view ......



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PostSubject: Re: MORE PTG PHOTOS from Ray Cunningham - DPRK trip August 2010   Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:15 am

bounce More More More .......




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PostSubject: Re: MORE PTG PHOTOS from Ray Cunningham - DPRK trip August 2010   Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:35 am



Ray's camera is getting a workout! The latest series of trafficgirl pictures ......



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PostSubject: Re: MORE PTG PHOTOS from Ray Cunningham - DPRK trip August 2010   Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:34 pm



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PostSubject: Re: MORE PTG PHOTOS from Ray Cunningham - DPRK trip August 2010   Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:18 pm

That's it? This is all there is??

No, seriously ... great collection of images. If the traffic policewomen are being retired, there will always be photos to remember the good times.
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PostSubject: Re: MORE PTG PHOTOS from Ray Cunningham - DPRK trip August 2010   Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:30 pm

Jong-Il's Hair Apparent wrote:
That's it? This is all there is??
Very Happy Nope, not done yet....

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PostSubject: Re: MORE PTG PHOTOS from Ray Cunningham - DPRK trip August 2010   Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:06 am

Hi I am a new member , i am here to have a good discussion on various topics


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PostSubject: Re: MORE PTG PHOTOS from Ray Cunningham - DPRK trip August 2010   Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:08 am

Omg these pics are amazing, i thought you couldnt take pics freely in North Korea :O
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PostSubject: Yes you can   Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:17 pm

Argo8 you can photograph *somewhat* freely, or "with supervision." I have taken 11,000 photos in North Korea. The "guides/guards" try to be nice and give you enough slack to photograph. For the traffic girls they have an intersection that is next to the bookstore that is a "free fire" zone. It is photogenic enough but I want to get to the other side of the street there. The girls are used to it at this intersection or should I say more used to it.
North Korea is a wonderful place to photograph - it is hard, unusual and every photograph is worth something. Thousands of my photos are on Flickr including those from the USSR and China in 1985.
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PostSubject: Re: MORE PTG PHOTOS from Ray Cunningham - DPRK trip August 2010   Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:34 pm

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Argo8 you can photograph *somewhat* freely, or "with supervision." I have taken 11,000 photos in North Korea. The "guides/guards" try to be nice and give you enough slack to photograph. For the traffic girls they have an intersection that is next to the bookstore that is a "free fire" zone. It is photogenic enough but I want to get to the other side of the street there. The girls are used to it at this intersection or should I say more used to it.
North Korea is a wonderful place to photograph - it is hard, unusual and every photograph is worth something. Thousands of my photos are on Flickr including those from the USSR and China in 1985.
You posted as a guest. scratch
Here's a link to your sets on flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/zaruka/sets/
Wow you have more photo sets than others have individual photos. Thanks for sharing!
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PostSubject: Re: MORE PTG PHOTOS from Ray Cunningham - DPRK trip August 2010   Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:03 pm

Argo8 wrote:
Omg these pics are amazing, i thought you couldnt take pics freely in North Korea :O
In North Korea, "Freely" means what they allow you to do. Pictures like these are what they want the outside world to see.
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PostSubject: Re: MORE PTG PHOTOS from Ray Cunningham - DPRK trip August 2010   Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:11 pm

Indeed this is what they want you to see and that is why this area is a free fire zone - HOWEVER with the DPRK you cannot hide a train wreck. There are too many opportunities that they do not want you to photograph. I love the art of the traffic girls but there are many other things to photograph including daily life, transportation, regimentation, propaganda art, and "opportunities." Stay long enough and you will begin to see that which they do not want you to see. It is impossible to hide daily life and they try to a certain degree but you cannot. The courtyard walls to the street are painted but once inside you see the real DPRK. It is not very pretty. It may be forbidden to shoot from the bus but they let you. The rules are one way but the guides are more liberal than the rule set. If you do not overdo it you are fine. I tend to overdo it and have had problems but only minor ones.
The idea is to go, observe and know what you are looking for and know what you are looking at. I used to run items into the old Soviet Union and make thousands of rubbles. Black markets are not new to me and the DPRK has a lively one. You need to know what to look for. Similarly the society behind is crumbling. When the bus breaks down at a random village we usually get to walk around. What are you seeing? They cannot stage manage everything and you can tell when they do. 50% is managed and you are taken to a site where there are no locals but then they screw up and you are in the middle of a place you are not supposed to be. That is the magic of going. When the bus pulls up and 1000 teen age girls are practicing with wooden AK-47s the guides tend to freak. We go on a photo shooting spree. You can always tell what is not going well - look at the guides. I have noticed that it is getting a bit more relaxed. This photo would never have been allowed yet I shot it openly. The guides were frantic but were powerless to stop it.

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PostSubject: Re: MORE PTG PHOTOS from Ray Cunningham - DPRK trip August 2010   Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:31 am

It does sound like an adventure, waiting for those surprise moments. I bet it's somewhat of an amusing game for tourists, trying to outfox the minders.

I recently noticed this story from CNN:

"Visit anytime! North Korea lifts restrictions on U.S. tourists.
North Korea has eased travel restrictions on U.S. tourists, hoping to boost its coffers and also improve the cash-strapped country's image."
http://www.cnngo.com/explorations/none/north-korea-lifts-travel-restrictions-americans-529062

I think I'll post this in the dprk section.
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PostSubject: Re: MORE PTG PHOTOS from Ray Cunningham - DPRK trip August 2010   Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:41 am

Nick Bonner's view is correct (and I know him personally). Nick did receive a calendar and he loved it.

For the first time Americans were allowed to travel with Europeans and we had more freedom. The "guides" are more guides than guards. It always scares me that we will get some arrogant person that we all have to watch. The guides have asked me to help. I may photograph but I am not going to run off.
Treat the guides well and you will be rewarded with a "special stop" or improptu visit. If you are respectful the guides pick up on that. Asking polite questions pays big. This is Asia and rules of conduct apply.
It can be an amusing game because there are two sets of rules. On Mount Paektu there is the rule "Do not take photos of soldiers." However, we are allowed to hike around so I follow a group of women soldiers and watch them. After a short time I take a photo and they love it. Soon I am having a great time with them. My roommate comes by and reminds me of the rule. Then he realizes they want their photo taken. We go to work. This is Korea and there are the rules then there is reality.

So the rules can change depending on the location. You have to be careful but judge the situation. Let someone else shoot a photo to see how the guides react. Subtlety is also helpful. Hold the camera at the waist and shoot there. A small handheld in the palm works great for crowds. It is surprising how the Koreans have grown used to cameras.
It will be interesting to see how the tourist industry is this year. The Cheonan incident did not affect tourism at all and I wondering how the shelling of Yeongpyong island will affect numbers. I predict it will not.
One of the most fascinating thing about going on these tours is to meet people as crazy as yourself. You do make long term friends on the tours. Just think, who else would really do this sort of thing? You meet people like myself who have been to the "more difficult" places or the dark tourism types. I have been to the wars and the revolutions and I must say that the DPRK is more like a "vacation" than the Yugoslav war was. We have a nice bed, a good view and a bus. People are much more nice in Korea. There is not much danger of the food being bad than some I have had in other places.
Check out the offerings at Koryo Tours and Asia One on One. Not cheap but you get some time in China which to me is more like a coming home. My long term plan is to move to China at some point. That is another society full of discovery and new places.

A co-worker has a friend who is an FBI field agent and she told him that her boss went to North Korea annually. He told her that could not be true and she was mixing up North and South. She emailed him the above photo. He still is scratching his head.

When I went the first time and posted photos in 2008 at least three people emailed me and asked me where I had stolen the photos because it was impossible that as an American I could go to the DPRK. I would send them the information on Koryo and a photo of myself there. One person said it was photoshopped. It is amusing but annoying. That does not seem to happen much today. My point is to get as much in-country time as possible. Right now I have 21 days and I will add 16 days this year. I am going to keep going until I really have seen and experienced what I can. The Tumen Triangle tour Koryo offers sounds interesting to do also.

On a budget? The November winter tour is cheap and the airfare to Beijing is very cheap at that time.

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